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Cobalt Sixty Caldari Intercision	Posted - 2010.07.07 22:36:00 - [1] Originally by: Verone Glad she's off the CSM tbh, for the best part her ideas and input were horrendous. Absolutely, this.
Cobalt Sixty Caldari Intercision	Posted - 2010.07.07 23:46:00 - [2] Originally by: KaarBaak Originally by: Ky Vatta IMHO, the whole CSM should be re-run, with bloc-voting disallowed How would you do that? Well presumably in Ky Vatta bizarro-world, Alliance members are disenfranchised.
Cobalt Sixty Caldari Intercision	Posted - 2010.07.07 23:54:00 - [3] Originally by: Delilah Wild I am not rabidly for Ank. I think Black is more interested in whether you're rabidly for Finn.
Cobalt Sixty Caldari Intercision	Posted - 2010.07.08 00:20:00 - [4] Originally by: Ky Vatta To the trolls: If you have a comment, make it on-topic at the very least Tossing off commnents like the one about so-called "bloc voting" needing to be banned but then refusing to explain further when asked amounts to you being the troll, deary.
Cobalt Sixty Caldari Intercision	Posted - 2010.07.08 01:55:00 - [5] Originally by: Liang Nuren The lack of a legal/arbitrated challenge from Ankh is an admission of guilt or no contest - which is career suicide. Actually, this got me thinking. Isn't Ankhesentapemkah also the same Eva Jobse of the Piratenpartij Nederland? Or so I was told. My thought being that it doesn't look good for politicians to go around breaking confidences, loose lips can sink more than internet spaceships.
Cobalt Sixty Caldari Intercision	Posted - 2010.07.08 04:59:00 - [6] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Again, what is really at stake here is far worse than some simple NDA breach or other trivial issue. You guys are thinking waaaayyyy too small and insignificant. I don't think Ankh will be suing anyone. If she's very lucky CCP will sweep this under the rug and nobody will find out what really happened. Less cloak and more dagger please.
Cobalt Sixty Caldari Intercision	Posted - 2010.07.08 15:58:00 - [7] Edited by: Cobalt Sixty on 08/07/2010 15:59:39 Originally by: Madner Kami How mature of you, Sokratesz. How about getting yourself a shower and cooling your head down a bit? Ankh isn't really a perfect CSM (or was), but you certainly should do better then that. OH MY GOD SOKRATESZ, WHY AREN'T YOU BEHAVING MORE APPROPRIATELY? LIKE BY WAILING AND GNASHING YOUR TEETH AND PULLING YOUR HAIR OUT. ... Personally, I think "loongate" points more to the core issue that triggered the demise of Ankhesencopypasta.
Cobalt Sixty Caldari Intercision	Posted - 2010.07.08 16:11:00 - [8] Edited by: Cobalt Sixty on 08/07/2010 16:11:57 WHY AREN'T YOU PAYING MORE RESPECT TO THE PAYING CUSTOMER? (Always happy to help the CSM )
Cobalt Sixty Caldari Intercision	Posted - 2010.07.08 16:55:00 - [9] Edited by: Cobalt Sixty on 08/07/2010 16:58:04 Originally by: BAteh Originally by: Sokratesz If you want to add some fuel to the fire, I suggest you add 'why aren't you paying more respect to the paying customer' in big capsy letters. Too late to derail attention from the fact you just made a complete fool of yourself on this thread while using the "CSM" tag, so enjoy it while you can, because it -WILL- be brief. That is all. Goodbye. Confirming that I will vote for Sokratesz because they make people see things that aren't really there. Also confirming BAteh will form out mist next election and single-handedly sabotage your chances of victory, Sok. Seriously, people need to calm down. It isn't the end of the world. Just Ankhesencopypasta.
Cobalt Sixty Caldari Intercision	Posted - 2010.07.08 17:55:00 - [10] Edited by: Cobalt Sixty on 08/07/2010 17:57:44 Originally by: Clovermite Keep the details - it's confidential, I totally understand the need to protect proprietary information. DO, however, point to a specific form of breach. Why is this so necessary? The very nature of a NDA breach implies sensitive information was divulged to a third party. Releasing information beyond that (the acknowledgement of event) only serves to increase the risk of the sensitive information in question being further exposed.
Cobalt Sixty Caldari Intercision	Posted - 2010.07.08 19:16:00 - [11] Originally by: Clovermite You do make a very valid point. No, you don't make a valid point. You only appear to want to know more due to a misplaced sense of entitlement and an irrational fear of some looming (and currently quite imaginary) conspiracy.
Cobalt Sixty Caldari Intercision	Posted - 2010.07.08 23:04:00 - [12] Originally by: Furb Killer Originally by: Cobalt Sixty Edited by: Cobalt Sixty on 08/07/2010 17:57:44 Originally by: Clovermite Keep the details - it's confidential, I totally understand the need to protect proprietary information. DO, however, point to a specific form of breach. Why is this so necessary? The very nature of a NDA breach implies sensitive information was divulged to a third party. Releasing information beyond that (the acknowledgement of event) only serves to increase the risk of the sensitive information in question being further exposed. CCP claims that the idea of the CSM is a better communication between players and CCP. Then it is kinda weird not communicate about the CSM to the players if the entire idea was to communicate. By way of response: Originally by: Mel Lifera Yeah, but I heard this crazy rumor that, like, by "better communication", they were totally talking about regarding gameplay issues and concerns, yo. and, Originally by: Sokratesz You forgo the entire idea, namely that there's things that CCP doesn't want to be public, and that's their bloody right. - just so you're aware I acknowledge your comment even if your argument was shot down by guns trained on it more quickly than mine could be.
Cobalt Sixty Caldari Intercision	Posted - 2010.07.08 23:15:00 - [13] Originally by: Titanius Bridge I don't think it's a terribly big proposal to ask for some further information than what we've been given. We can't expect to learn it all, but something a little more concrete than we've received so far would a nice, and it wouldn't have to be written in an NDA-breaching manner. I don't think you understand the situation. Breaching an NDA involves disclosing sensitive information to a 3rd party without authorization to do so. It is possible that by disclosing more specific details of the event that CCP could risk increased exposure of the sensitive information involved. You (all) also have to carefully consider that this most probably isn't something that occurred in-game but in fact quite out of it - a world not administered by CCP but by far greater powers with their own terms and conditions to be followed.
Cobalt Sixty Caldari Intercision	Posted - 2010.07.09 01:03:00 - [14] Originally by: Titanius Bridge Originally by: AterraX dosn't seem like you understand that part at all. Because you keep pushing for CCP to reveal information under NDA, as to why Ankbrokethenda got booted. That's not the information I'm asking for. Or are you saying the entire situation is under NDA so we have to be left in the dark about the entire set of events? 1) Further revelations regarding the NDA breach may increase the risk that the information that was exposed could be exposed to a wider audience. We do not know the circumstances of the breach - this is true. However, as we do not know those circumstances, we can hardly judge what is and isn't appropriate for CCP to disclose to us about the breach. I think this may be called a "Catch 22" situation. 2) As I suggested earlier, the situation may have moved beyond the scope of the NDA - there may now be other external factors being considered by CCP and Eva Jobse - significant ones.
Cobalt Sixty Caldari Intercision	Posted - 2010.07.09 07:10:00 - [15] Originally by: El'Niaga Why they don't just come out and say that and stop the speculation I don't know. Okay, now go back and read the first line in your own (and same) post: Originally by: El'Niaga Okay first off from a legal standpoint they probably can't discuss the matter further or exactly mention what event broke the NDA. You have essentially answered your own question. Also, it is a little bit over a day now since the news broke. Perhaps the people directly involved are still discussing things at the glacial pace that is Real Life.
Cobalt Sixty Caldari Intercision	Posted - 2010.07.09 22:39:00 - [16] Originally by: Thrasymachus TheSophist What surprises me is that it got to this .... why CCP would publically announce that she's being kicked for NDA breach, even if true, is a big, big question. Its gonna mess with this woman's REAL life. ... True or not, what a can of worms. My advice would have simply been: Speak with her privately about it, and then disqualify her from re-running. The fight doesn't seem worth the payoff. Not announcing her dismissal would (I think) most probably result in Eva Jobse as Ankhesencopypasta disappearing from EVE, and all it'd take is one post of "Where in the world is Ankhesencopypasta?" to trigger a tsunami of speculation even more vapid than the current demands for more information by the nosey parker brigade. I don't mean to be rude but unless you're legal counsel to CCP your advice in this matter is irrelevant. As I've tried to hint at before this point in time, people need to stop and consider that the primary issue here may not be that there was an NDA breach, but rather how it happened. This may be entirely why we haven't heard anything more from official channels. The reason we don't know is because the situation could be extremely serious. Realistically, CCP is obligated to preserving itself and its precious bodily fluids first. Where Eva works next is her concern. Anything else is absurd.
Cobalt Sixty Caldari Intercision	Posted - 2010.07.10 07:46:00 - [17] Edited by: Cobalt Sixty on 10/07/2010 07:53:16 Originally by: NereSky Why is the rest of the CSM trolling/flaming this , just let the thread die and get forgotten as most threads of this type are Possibly because Ankhesencopypasta was (by many reports) a crazed ***** who was difficult to work around (let alone with) and they're (secretly or not) relieved to see the back of her. I'm not answering your question with the above, by the way. I'm not a member of the CSM so I can hardly take it upon myself to explain what they in particular post here. Not that I've really noticed any trolling from them compared to the majority of the rest of this thread.
Cobalt Sixty Caldari Intercision	Posted - 2010.07.12 11:31:00 - [18] Edited by: Cobalt Sixty on 12/07/2010 11:33:00 Originally by: Sokratesz I agree that its not very satisfying, but it's everything they technically have to tell us. Everything beyond that is goodwill from their side, and CCP doesn't exactly have a good rep on that account Hmmm. Maybe it wasn't Colonel Mustard in the Study with the Revolver (replace Colonel Mustard with Eva Jobse, Study with Studio and Revolver with a hilariously large & stuffed sack with PROPRIETARY SECRETS stenciled on it) but CCP is actually trolling us (with help from Ankhesencopypasta) while CCP busily reduce the overabundance of clicking necessary in Planetary Interaction - without having to feel obligated to answer any questions meanwhile! ... Well, at least I can hope
Cobalt Sixty Caldari Intercision	Posted - 2010.07.12 11:39:00 - [19] Originally by: Abrazzar Originally by: ihcn I cannot understand how people think breaching a NDA isn't a good reason to kick someone off. If they can't trust her to keep things secret, how can they tell her more about the future of the game? Will she be excluded from the conference room while everyone else gets to listen in? A breach of a NDA can get you 3 months to 5 years jail time in Germany if the breach is severe enough. This does not include the damages caused by the breach for the NDA issuer. Maybe they'll have the Icelandic Mafia work her over. Maybe they already have, but it went too far. Maybe any day now someone will open a can of fermented shark and find ... biomass they weren't expecting to find. Maybe this will serve as a warning to others.
Cobalt Sixty Caldari Intercision	Posted - 2010.07.12 12:20:00 - [20] Originally by: Dariah Stardweller Originally by: Ebisu Kami Edited by: Ebisu Kami on 12/07/2010 10:43:21 Originally by: Sokratesz I agree that its not very satisfying, but it's everything they technically have to tell us. Everything beyond that is goodwill from their side, and CCP doesn't exactly have a good rep on that account I'm not going to dispute the validality of CCP's decision, because, quite honestly, the current situation hints at an actual and severe breach and as such, I accept the decision. How does it hint a a serious breach if we know jack ** about what happened, or did I miss something? The fact we know jack ** is because nobody has told us, nobody has told us because the breach is serious.
Cobalt Sixty Caldari Intercision	Posted - 2010.07.13 01:15:00 - [21] Originally by: Loi Shaini Maybe it was her membership with a certain political party in her home country that advocates a method of software distribution that is anathema to CCP and other development houses. This was, I suspect, the main reason for it - which begs the question - if we send the other CSM members application forms for that group, will they all be booted? Or maybe we just sign them up anyway . I'm going to stop you right there to point out that I've already seen at least one huffy post (here or on Massively) from someone who claimed to be in the UK branch of the Piratpartiet, who apparently stated that Eva Jobse was pretty much on her own and that they didn't support whatever she'd done to breach the NDA - that they support copyright, they just want to make the copyright system fairer for consumers. I'm jumping on you, because I doubt CCP would appreciate any sort of rumor that they canned her for RL political reasons - that sort of thing is anathema to almost everyone.

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